Comments on: Leaving a barn/trainer http://abovelevel.com/2009/05/30/leaving-a-barntrainer/ The Morgan Horse Show Blog Mon, 06 Feb 2012 16:18:52 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: EdanaLL http://abovelevel.com/2009/05/30/leaving-a-barntrainer/comment-page-1/#comment-8162 EdanaLL Mon, 08 Jun 2009 01:24:24 +0000 http://abovelevel.com/?p=1400#comment-8162 OOPS -- sorry Jennifer.. it was Empressive who misread my name. But you're forgiven too Empressive!! OOPS — sorry Jennifer.. it was Empressive who misread my name. But you’re forgiven too Empressive!!

]]> By: EdanaLL http://abovelevel.com/2009/05/30/leaving-a-barntrainer/comment-page-1/#comment-8161 EdanaLL Mon, 08 Jun 2009 01:23:12 +0000 http://abovelevel.com/?p=1400#comment-8161 Hey Jennifer, no problem on the name. I can't believe your trainer kicked you out and then had the gall to sue you for the remaining month. Too bad you lost the appeal but at least you didn't have to pay the full amount. I hope you found a better facility! Hey Jennifer, no problem on the name.
I can’t believe your trainer kicked you out and then had the gall to sue you for the remaining month. Too bad you lost the appeal but at least you didn’t have to pay the full amount. I hope you found a better facility!

]]> By: elise http://abovelevel.com/2009/05/30/leaving-a-barntrainer/comment-page-1/#comment-8157 elise Sat, 06 Jun 2009 13:40:57 +0000 http://abovelevel.com/?p=1400#comment-8157 This issue is pretty dicey because horses are not only a big financial investment, but an emotional one as well. And that emotion comes from both sides. We love our horses, and the truly great trainers love and care about them too. The trainers that care are building a relationship with your horse just the same as you are. (Oh, there are some toughies who say they don't get attached, but I bet that pat or carrot at the end of a good session comes from a trainer's heart, unless they're Ebeneezer Scrooge). Sometimes, personalities are different, but if you have a good group working with your horse, see the bigger picture and not let those things get in the way. On the other side of that, if you feel your horse is being mistreated or not taken care of properly, address the issue first, then if a solution or agreement can't be made, at least have the courtesy to pay any bills owed (think of the other horses, because your board is counted in making sure they have feed, etc, too)and take the high road and not bad mouth, unless serious neglect or abuse was going on. In that case, you'll find you probably haven't been the first person to remove a horse from a bad situation, and it will catch up with a bad trainer in the end. If my horse was neglected or abused at a facility, all of my energy would go into getting him well and to a better place, and making sure any legal steps were taken to ensure that things were put right. This issue is pretty dicey because horses are not only a big financial investment, but an emotional one as well. And that emotion comes from both sides. We love our horses, and the truly great trainers love and care about them too. The trainers that care are building a relationship with your horse just the same as you are. (Oh, there are some toughies who say they don’t get attached, but I bet that pat or carrot at the end of a good session comes from a trainer’s heart, unless they’re Ebeneezer Scrooge). Sometimes, personalities are different, but if you have a good group working with your horse, see the bigger picture and not let those things get in the way. On the other side of that, if you feel your horse is being mistreated or not taken care of properly, address the issue first, then if a solution or agreement can’t be made, at least have the courtesy to pay any bills owed (think of the other horses, because your board is counted in making sure they have feed, etc, too)and take the high road and not bad mouth, unless serious neglect or abuse was going on. In that case, you’ll find you probably haven’t been the first person to remove a horse from a bad situation, and it will catch up with a bad trainer in the end. If my horse was neglected or abused at a facility, all of my energy would go into getting him well and to a better place, and making sure any legal steps were taken to ensure that things were put right.

]]> By: Jennifer http://abovelevel.com/2009/05/30/leaving-a-barntrainer/comment-page-1/#comment-8140 Jennifer Wed, 03 Jun 2009 18:07:35 +0000 http://abovelevel.com/?p=1400#comment-8140 A signed contract is no guarantee it only gives the holder the proof for legal action. I was taken to court after signing a boarding contract. I complained one to many times about my horse being lame because of the condition of the facilities. When I got home that evening she had left a message to find another facility. So I did and went to remove my horses the next day. She called the police and took me to court because I didn't give thirty days notice. The horses were removed before the police arrived so she took us to small claims court for the remaining 25 days of the month. We paid for the partial month. The magistrate ruled in our favor, she appealed and the judge ruled in her favor but reduce the amount to be paid by half. Your situation sounds like they may be having money troubles, even though the horses went to another trainer. Jennifer A signed contract is no guarantee it only gives the holder the proof for legal action. I was taken to court after signing a boarding contract. I complained one to many times about my horse being lame because of the condition of the facilities. When I got home that evening she had left a message to find another facility. So I did and went to remove my horses the next day. She called the police and took me to court because I didn’t give thirty days notice. The horses were removed before the police arrived so she took us to small claims court for the remaining 25 days of the month. We paid for the partial month. The magistrate ruled in our favor, she appealed and the judge ruled in her favor but reduce the amount to be paid by half.
Your situation sounds like they may be having money troubles, even though the horses went to another trainer.
Jennifer

]]> By: empressive http://abovelevel.com/2009/05/30/leaving-a-barntrainer/comment-page-1/#comment-8138 empressive Wed, 03 Jun 2009 17:49:16 +0000 http://abovelevel.com/?p=1400#comment-8138 Sorry EdanaLL for getting your name wrong! oops. hehehe, cute smily faces though! Don't you think? Sorry EdanaLL for getting your name wrong! oops.
hehehe, cute smily faces though! Don’t you think?

]]> By: empressive http://abovelevel.com/2009/05/30/leaving-a-barntrainer/comment-page-1/#comment-8137 empressive Wed, 03 Jun 2009 17:46:07 +0000 http://abovelevel.com/?p=1400#comment-8137 KHummel: I did not mean to contradict anything you said. I agree wholeheartedly with your comments. My comments in my third post where in answer to Edna LL on this site. I have experienced times when to remove personal property witnesses were needed or violent situations where police were needed. Basically both sides need to be kept safe and responsible. Sometimes having someone else there helps. I am also breaking this from both points of view; for the trainer and client. Edna asked if the trainer was making it unbearable or if the trainer was confrontational. Plus from the view that the client is non-confrontational or uncomfortable. My advice was to cover the whole situation from the worst (in having to call the police) to the easiest (having a friend there) Of course, doing this in the daytime and calling the trainer is a must do. Like before I could not imagine someone trying to come late at night and take a horse. What a fright for the trainer! Whose job, is in part, the protection of the horse. Also I came up with the fact that sometimes people have to immediately leave due to financial stress. Where the trainer may not want to be so kind and say “hey you can stay until I have the place filled.” Due to the fact that some people dump horses or some people are more money oriented. I am not speaking of everyone! But I do understand that there are some people. So in the end KHummel in no way was I consciously disagreeing with you and still do not. I hope that this clears things up! :) KHummel: I did not mean to contradict anything you said. I agree wholeheartedly with your comments. My comments in my third post where in answer to Edna LL on this site.

I have experienced times when to remove personal property witnesses were needed or violent situations where police were needed. Basically both sides need to be kept safe and responsible. Sometimes having someone else there helps. I am also breaking this from both points of view; for the trainer and client. Edna asked if the trainer was making it unbearable or if the trainer was confrontational. Plus from the view that the client is non-confrontational or uncomfortable. My advice was to cover the whole situation from the worst (in having to call the police) to the easiest (having a friend there)

Of course, doing this in the daytime and calling the trainer is a must do. Like before I could not imagine someone trying to come late at night and take a horse. What a fright for the trainer! Whose job, is in part, the protection of the horse. Also I came up with the fact that sometimes people have to immediately leave due to financial stress. Where the trainer may not want to be so kind and say “hey you can stay until I have the place filled.” Due to the fact that some people dump horses or some people are more money oriented. I am not speaking of everyone! But I do understand that there are some people.

So in the end KHummel in no way was I consciously disagreeing with you and still do not. I hope that this clears things up! :)

]]> By: jns767 http://abovelevel.com/2009/05/30/leaving-a-barntrainer/comment-page-1/#comment-8136 jns767 Wed, 03 Jun 2009 16:02:32 +0000 http://abovelevel.com/?p=1400#comment-8136 Unless the horse is in danger or there is a MAJOR safety concern, I believe wholeheartedly that the trainer/Barn owner should be notified in some form or another. I've seen people leave with a police escort and have also seen how devastating it is to the trainer involved. It's very hurtful and also embarrassing to the BO/Trainer - it may also effect other clientele that may have witnessed this. They may wonder what the heck happened to cause this person to leave in the night or with police. I know that there is gossip that goes on in the horse world and word certainly travels fast. Most of the people I've seen leave like this either owe money that they are unwilling to or cannot pay, or they are in disagreement with the barn owner/trainer. Personally, I think it would be difficult to tell a trainer that I was unhappy with their services. I would worry about hurting their feelings or pissing them off. Regardless, I would suck it up and do the right thing - if the horse were in danger, I'd remove it immediately after speaking with Barn owner/trainer. I'd be able to sleep at night knowing that I did the correct thing. I'm a big ole' baby at times, but that's small in the scheme of things - this is a livelyhood to many horse trainers and barn owners, and I just don't have the scrupples to screw them over like that. Unless the horse is in danger or there is a MAJOR safety concern, I believe wholeheartedly that the trainer/Barn owner should be notified in some form or another. I’ve seen people leave with a police escort and have also seen how devastating it is to the trainer involved. It’s very hurtful and also embarrassing to the BO/Trainer – it may also effect other clientele that may have witnessed this. They may wonder what the heck happened to cause this person to leave in the night or with police. I know that there is gossip that goes on in the horse world and word certainly travels fast. Most of the people I’ve seen leave like this either owe money that they are unwilling to or cannot pay, or they are in disagreement with the barn owner/trainer. Personally, I think it would be difficult to tell a trainer that I was unhappy with their services. I would worry about hurting their feelings or pissing them off. Regardless, I would suck it up and do the right thing – if the horse were in danger, I’d remove it immediately after speaking with Barn owner/trainer. I’d be able to sleep at night knowing that I did the correct thing. I’m a big ole’ baby at times, but that’s small in the scheme of things – this is a livelyhood to many horse trainers and barn owners, and I just don’t have the scrupples to screw them over like that.

]]> By: StacyGRS http://abovelevel.com/2009/05/30/leaving-a-barntrainer/comment-page-1/#comment-8135 StacyGRS Wed, 03 Jun 2009 15:49:10 +0000 http://abovelevel.com/?p=1400#comment-8135 I would agree wholeheartedly that a phone call/letter/e-mail/SOMETHING is absolutely the right way to do it...not show up with a trailer and NOT while trainer(s) are away...that just isn't the way to do it. Agreed!! And, yes, I can totally see how it would put the help in an awkward situation. Unfortunate. Stacy I would agree wholeheartedly that a phone call/letter/e-mail/SOMETHING is absolutely the right way to do it…not show up with a trailer and NOT while trainer(s) are away…that just isn’t the way to do it. Agreed!! And, yes, I can totally see how it would put the help in an awkward situation. Unfortunate.
Stacy

]]> By: khummel http://abovelevel.com/2009/05/30/leaving-a-barntrainer/comment-page-1/#comment-8134 khummel Wed, 03 Jun 2009 14:38:23 +0000 http://abovelevel.com/?p=1400#comment-8134 I would not force someone to stay either. thats not what i am saying. iam saying a removal should be by appointment and after a discussion. i would never be so unproffessional and need police to be called!!!??? I would be and have always been polite and wished them well . And remained friends and had some return as you say. I am saying it is wrong to sneak a horse out when the trsainers/stable owners are away at a horse show. The at home help was put in an awkard situation. I just cant imagine doing that at any stable . If someone feels its an emergency situation, one can still mae a phone call and answer phone calls. One can make an appointment for the immediate removal later that day at least. In my situation, nothing was "wrong" at all. They just wanted to change horse trainers. I would not force someone to stay either. thats not what i am saying. iam saying a removal should be by appointment and after a discussion. i would never be so unproffessional and need police to be called!!!??? I would be and have always been polite and wished them well . And remained friends and had some return as you say. I am saying it is wrong to sneak a horse out when the trsainers/stable owners are away at a horse show. The at home help was put in an awkard situation. I just cant imagine doing that at any stable . If someone feels its an emergency situation, one can still mae a phone call and answer phone calls. One can make an appointment for the immediate removal later that day at least. In my situation, nothing was “wrong” at all. They just wanted to change horse trainers.

]]> By: empressive http://abovelevel.com/2009/05/30/leaving-a-barntrainer/comment-page-1/#comment-8131 empressive Wed, 03 Jun 2009 06:06:59 +0000 http://abovelevel.com/?p=1400#comment-8131 Oh and yes you could draw up a contract so long as it is under state laws. (nothhing fishy like the last contract I read that "basically" allowed the buyer to not only buy the land but also recieve (did not have to pay) other objects owned by the seller. Yeah, right. That never worked out. Anywho if you wanted to haul up a contract get a lawyer to help you figure it out. Saves time money and stress. I personally am not sure if there are horse related contracts concerning this discussion, but I bet you might be able to find some and assuredly can create one. Either way it is a nice thing to have, a contract. Granted you could do it yourself, but sometimes a little help goes a long way. Whoa starting to ramble... Night everyone! Sweet dreams! Oh and do not worry about the size of a contract. They come in many sizes, assuredly. Many sizes. Only worry that big ones scare people away. No it's not like fishing. Oh and yes you could draw up a contract so long as it is under state laws. (nothhing fishy like the last contract I read that “basically” allowed the buyer to not only buy the land but also recieve (did not have to pay) other objects owned by the seller. Yeah, right. That never worked out. Anywho if you wanted to haul up a contract get a lawyer to help you figure it out. Saves time money and stress. I personally am not sure if there are horse related contracts concerning this discussion, but I bet you might be able to find some and assuredly can create one. Either way it is a nice thing to have, a contract. Granted you could do it yourself, but sometimes a little help goes a long way. Whoa starting to ramble… Night everyone! Sweet dreams!

Oh and do not worry about the size of a contract. They come in many sizes, assuredly. Many sizes. Only worry that big ones scare people away. No it’s not like fishing.

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