Fleetwing

Fleetwing (Morgan stallion) and offspring

 

I’m the video queen LOL. Here’s a really cool video that a friend e-mailed to me. Since everyone’s been on the topic of older bloodlines (from the recent post by Carley) I thought this might be cool to have as well. Hope everyone enjoys it, I know I did :).

 

 

14 Responses to Fleetwing

  1. Flmorgan says:

    Wow! Thanks for sharing. It was great! We have owned and do own many horses with these horses in their bloodlines.

  2. Chris Nerland says:

    What an absolute treat for us! Our stallion Ken-Mar Winston is a Black River Dandy grandson top and bottom. Fleetwing certainly put his mark on his descendants. Thank you so much for sharing that old, old film. I hope the AMHA has a copy in the archives.

  3. colwilrin says:

    What great footage. I have an idea. I don’t know if any of the Grand National committee frequent this website, but wouldn’t it be great to compile the old films of this sort that they have, and play them on a loop on one of the closed circuit TV channels at Grand National. It would be fun to watch them during down time. They could also include highlight films of past Grand Nationals in between the older film takes.

    Perhaps someone could also make a slide show of archive pictures to run on the channel.

  4. Chris Nerland says:

    What year was this taken? Sometime in the early 60s..and is that Mr. Andreoli? I never met the gentleman, but it looks like some of the old photos in the magazine. It is really something to see how absolutely radical Fleetwing was at the time. One look at that neck and some of the old NE Morgan breeders must have just laid down and calved. And Fleetwing bred true, both good and bad. Just look at Pegasus and Major. Dandy, on the other hand, appears quite different. Mare influence? Comments from some of the “old school” would be very welcome.

  5. Chris Nerland says:

    Well, I went and did some research and the film has to be after 1970, because the Buckeye was born in 70 (according to Pedigree Query). Interesting how Major and Dandy are full brothers, but to me they look quite different.

  6. khummel says:

    Jean Rutledge taped this with an old super 8 camera. I was there that winter day and it was taken shortly before the great horse died. Small in stature, Fleetwing was all upheaded show horse . He had hocks that were freaky and an attitude of a banny rooster.He had tiny hooky ears and a chesspiece neck that would just set in your lap. I got to sit on him and it was amazing. Mr. Andreoli used to tack Fleetwing up in western show saddle and bridle and sterling bit and ride him around his sprawling Reata horse farm. He would dress in his authentic Mexican sombrero and cowboy boots. He gave the bit and bridle to my mother and I still have it today as a prized possession. It is real heavy Mexican silver. That is Tom Butler at the lead in Fleetwings turn out paddock and also where Fleetwing sired his last offsprings. If memory serves Fleetwing was around 30-31 years old when it was taken.? It was taken at Reata horsefarm which is now a boarding stable called willow ridge owned by John King. John is Terry King’s sister. Fleetwing is buried there and his barn/stall/grave is the last barn on the left if you visit. It used to be marked. I havent been there in a long time and dont know if it still is. This is located in Sharon Center Ohio on State Route 94. Tom Ruble of Black River Farm. Lodi Ohio is on the tape as well as is teenagers Terry and Allen Rutledge and parts of the footage shows the little house I grew up in on Serenity Farm before we moved into the big house.That once beautiful165 acre Morgan showplace has lost all its former glory and is now and has been a run down version of its former self.At one time we had a herd of 106 Morgans there! I do not visit ther at all because I cannot stand to see the way it looks now. Parts of the tape have been spliced together because the original tape was of Fleetwing and Serenity Farm I think late 60s. I beleive the tape of the Buckeye was added on later and not taken by Mrs. Rutledge.

  7. khummel says:

    meant to say John is Terry Kings brother LOL

  8. khummel says:

    if someone can look up fleetwings date of birth and being my brothers were still in high school I think the tape is mid 60s

  9. Chris Nerland says:

    Ah, that explains the date puzzle. Mrs. Hummel, thank you for your comments. Your perspective on the “old” bloodlines is fascinating. We can really see Fleetwings personality project through the camera. Any comments on the other horses would be of great interest.
    I know the sadness of going back to what was once a thriving stud farm and walking through the empty barns. I guess my love of the old bloodlines and their propagation is an attempt to recapture the excitement and yes, the innocence of the Morgan Breed back then. All things were possible back then when we were young and the breed looked as though it would continue to grow and expand. There were some bitter controversies back then, particularly as to shoeing, but there was also optimism as to the future.
    We now spend our money and energy in fighting and filing suits. Despite the marvelous achievements of Morgans in Driving/Carriage and Hunter Pleasure, the outside view looking in is of a breed that has lost it’s way and which is quarreling over an ever-shrinking piece of the pie. Those of us who love the Morgan for what they are, and not as a backdrop for our ego, will stick with the breed through these tough times. Will the next generation do as much? This blog gives me hope, but the stunning cost of showing/owning/training horses mandates that only a certain economic level will be able to participate in the future.

  10. Chris Nerland says:

    Don’t misunderstand. Given the rate of inflation, horse training fees are grossly undervalued (my wife was a trainer, remember?) but the 1950s and 60s were a unique time in economic terms, when a young family could afford to have a horse for pleasure and live off of Dad’s salary as well. It is not surprising that is when many of todays owners got started in horses. But we are all getting older now. 12 to 15 thousand (not including the purchase price) per year for a personal “hobby” of showing a horse is far beyond most people’s reach. Our lately-popped economic bubble has given all horse breeds a boost through the last 15 or so years. What happens now? Where do some of you see this breed and showing going in the future? Horse-shares, anyone?

  11. Flmorgan says:

    I have thought about Horse Shares and Leasing and that is probably a way of the future as multiple leasers lesson their costs of both upkeep and showing. We as stable owners and trainers have to try to keep our prices with in reason. I also see more local show attendence and client picking 1 to 3 shows that they will attend instead of all the shows in a given show season. Other competitive events will become of interest such as Hunter Paces, Competitive Trail rides, Barrel Racing etc. As a breed we need to adapt or get left behind. This is where some of those old bloodlines will need to be bred back into our stock, because of the versatility and heart.The Morgan horse can do anything but it may take alittle different [going back in time] horse to bring us [Morgan Breed] into the future. Many may disagree but that is what I see.

  12. khummel says:

    Yes, I was a kid then but I remember those mom and pop days and the fun of showing horses back then. Sleeping in the camper, no hotels, cooking out on our grill. I still see folks doing that and I know they are having a ball! We still have fun today, but you are right. We have to make it fun now and the trainers have to make it fun. Thats the key to be part of a barn that will make this fun and not a place with mean spiritedness just wholesome competitiveness and comraderie. As I get older I am getting better and better at deflecting the gossips and mean people and keeping my mind on the positive. It was fun and affordable back in the day and people got along then too. Everything is so much more isolated now. As for prices, I agree. As for my own barn we have kept things very reasonable and we are never short of clients. we are certainly on the low end at $775 a month for training and $30 for riding or driving lessons. We have diversified over the years and show saddlebreds and morgans as we have good client base for both breeds. I love a good show horse of any breed , of course I am partial to Morgans. I find the good sense and versatality is still alive in the so called modern Morgan. As least that has been my experience with the bloodlines I am used to working with. I know what I think you meant though. Too many of the bad thinking horses /bad breeding experimentshave been sold off to newcomers and I dont know how you put an end to that stuff. I have an older Morgan mare here that would be condidered older less comtemporary lines and she is a doll baby. Showy enough for any advanced rider , yet with such good sense little children as young as eight safely walk trot and canter her all over my big outdoor arena. I have had more than a few of these kind of morgans and many in the last decade. I seem to be able to find them so I dont agree that they are a thing of the past . She reminds so much of the Morgan mares I grew up riding and that I had for my own kids to learn to ride on. SO They are still around. There is something for everyone in the Morgan breed is you look . And there are many good bargains to be found on horses and training and even breeding. My Centerpiece colt when he is ready to stand will be private treaty . However , the price I will ask for his stud service will be affordable. Afterall it takes a long time to tell if a horse is good breeding horse. Dont mean to talk about myself here as I am sure we are not the only affordable show stable left. I think because we own our farm it is easier for us to keep reasonable prices. Many trainers have to lease a place and when you have to do that it is very hard to make ends meet without charging more. Trainers have always had a hard road to hoe but it is trade off as they afterall do get to atleast try to make a living doing what they love. I had clients look at a showhorse at another stable for wellover 6 figures last year and they wanted to know why that horse was so expensive. I think my answer was along the lines of well lets see how many millions were spent in the last thirty plus years trying to get this horse. And I asked them what they would want for him if they owned him. I would say his price was high but not without merit. Afterall a horses dollar worth is what soemone will pay. For me they are priceless because they have always been in my blood and even if I didnt show or teach or train, I would have to be able to see a good horse every day. I would have them no matter what. Its a passion. K Hummel

  13. erikarose says:

    The first time I saw this tape I was so excited to finally put some faces to the names I see in our horses pedigrees. Being in the Morgan world for nearly 10 yrs now I still consider myself a newbie and am so fortunate to have a trainer who loves this breeding and to show me how to incorporate into our breeding program. At the moment we have a yearling colt who has 5x to Fleetwing (thru Sweet Sue, Juno, Thor, Major and Flight Time) and 2x to OCR. After seeing this tape, hearing the stories from friends and trainers, and seeing horses from this lineage in the show ring, I know why it is such a treasured line.

  14. empressive says:

    The video was great! It is wonderful to have motion to the pictures. None of my mares share these bloodlines except one through Fleetfield.

    Still the knowledge I can treasure quite highly is wonderful. As for the economy woes… I am thankful that I can trail ride even with my Modern Morgans. I aquired my love of showing far to late into this downing economy. Plus my first show was not a sucess. I got to see the bad side of showing.

    Still someday after college I will probably find myself back in horses!

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