Ok I need to keep this as anonymous as I can due to the touchiness of the situation and some friends associated with it.

Basically the question was “Could you breed a mare if you do not have her papers but, do know her lineage?” The horse in question is registered but, hasn’t been DNA’d due to her age. This is a before DNA checking baby. There have been some “akward” stuff with the previous owners and the papers never changed ownership.

I personally have no idea on what to do. I would be afraid that the previous owners would lie that the horse was stolen or take the mare back especially if these people were able to get it bred since the papers are still in the previous owners name. I do not even know if the AMHA would allow the foal to be registered under such circumstances.

So if anyone has any information or know somebody I can have these people call that would be great. Thanks Guys and Gals! 

5 Responses to Oops…

  1. morgnridr says:

    Well, as far as AMHA is concerned this is two different issues. Breeding vs registering. You can breed whatever you want, AMHA is not concerned with it until you try to register the foal. Per AMHA a foal is owned by the owner of the dam at the time of foaling. The “owner” is the person(s) whose name the papers are in. So, the “previous owners” you mentioned are still the owners of record and there for, according to AMHA would be the owner of any foals produced by the mare in question.
    That being said, sometimes you can speak with the Registrar regarding issues of ownership. If you can provide proof of purchase (sales receipt etc) you might have a starting point, it can be a bit of process though and may not be settled in time for breeding season.
    The DNA issue is another thing altogether. You, or your friend, will want to check with AMHA regarding those rules and requirements as I’m not recalling the details of all that right now.


  2. empressive says:

    Genius. Thanks morgnrdr!

    I almost wish the horse would die or something and this would be over. Looks like I am playing middle man now. Yuck. They have no proof of purchase it was all by word of mouth and these people are new to horses period.
    Thanks for the information. Guess we will see what happens. Makes me wanna move to the East Coast.

  3. PlayMorBill says:

    This is not that unique a situation. The current mare owners need to step up and insist that the previous owners transfer the papers. If they absolutley refuse to do so, there are steps that can be taken to issue a new set of papers.

    Call Tyler at AMHA and he can walk you/them through the steps necessary.

    If there is a dispute over the actual ownership of the mare, then, I’m sad to say, they need to lawyer-up.

    And don’t move to the East Coast! The Midwest is where a hand shake and a promise still have merit. :)

  4. empressive says:

    Thanks Bill!

    I will relay your message to my friends.

    As for the handshake… well
    it sure seems cold about everywhere nowadays. Just talking to people and although stuff happens the worst I believe is when people take advantage of kids. I almost tied a horse to “someone’s” front door for an “incident”. That I cannot stand for.

    Thanks again and sorry for rambling!

    !!Merry Christmas!!

  5. Trisha says:

    A customer at the barn I work at had problems with the former owner not transferring papers. After many letters sent to the previous owner, and phone calls with AMHA and it got straightened out and the horse’s ownership was transferred. It took a while, but it happened.

    And if this is a situation where the previous owner is not transferring the papers, it’s best to find out from AMHA if it’s the first complaint. In the situation above, we found out that this wasn’t the first time they’ve had troubles with this person not sending horse’s papers after the horse has been purchased and because of that, it didn’t turn into as big of a mess as it could have been.

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