Comments on: Youth WC? http://abovelevel.com/2008/10/20/youth-wc/ The Morgan Horse Show Blog Mon, 06 Feb 2012 16:18:52 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: northernwinds http://abovelevel.com/2008/10/20/youth-wc/comment-page-1/#comment-5290 northernwinds Wed, 22 Oct 2008 22:27:26 +0000 http://abovelevel.com/?p=867#comment-5290 I showed in the Youth the last year I aged out of junior exhibitor. I showed as an amature. I won the youth qualifier and took my horse back in the Open WC. We placed 3rd. We also showed in the amature classes and amature WC classes. This year I showed in my last year of Youth. I took that same horse in the 4 year old junior qualifer and he went back into the WC junior horse. There is PLENTY to show in, I do not think that a WC should be added. It's just fine the way it is- Why screw up a good thing? northernwinds I showed in the Youth the last year I aged out of junior exhibitor. I showed as an amature. I won the youth qualifier and took my horse back in the Open WC. We placed 3rd. We also showed in the amature classes and amature WC classes. This year I showed in my last year of Youth. I took that same horse in the 4 year old junior qualifer and he went back into the WC junior horse. There is PLENTY to show in, I do not think that a WC should be added. It’s just fine the way it is- Why screw up a good thing?

northernwinds

]]> By: your_starr http://abovelevel.com/2008/10/20/youth-wc/comment-page-1/#comment-5286 your_starr Wed, 22 Oct 2008 20:18:36 +0000 http://abovelevel.com/?p=867#comment-5286 I think we need to run the classes to know what the numbers would be like. I think we need to run the classes to know what the numbers would be like.

]]> By: Anonymous http://abovelevel.com/2008/10/20/youth-wc/comment-page-1/#comment-5285 Anonymous Wed, 22 Oct 2008 20:03:55 +0000 http://abovelevel.com/?p=867#comment-5285 If we're realistic no youth is going to show back open, and if they have a horse thats competitive enough to go after the open WC then there most likey gunna show in the open qualifier too. I didn't think the youth finals could show back in the Am division? But what if their not Am they could be young proffesionals? 8-9 is the same numbers as most of the SS WC classes anyway...i really think it would be a good move to add it...IMO it woud keep more youths in the breed for longer. Look how big the youth qualifiers and championships are at NE...and the majority of those don't show Junior Exhibitor. It could be kept that you still don't have to qualify surely in order to avoid the problem due to the law in California. I see how the park saddle, park harness and perhaps pleasure driving may not merit a world class..but the others i really think have the numbers they need, and would grow some with the addition of a WC. If we’re realistic no youth is going to show back open, and if they have a horse thats competitive enough to go after the open WC then there most likey gunna show in the open qualifier too. I didn’t think the youth finals could show back in the Am division? But what if their not Am they could be young proffesionals?
8-9 is the same numbers as most of the SS WC classes anyway…i really think it would be a good move to add it…IMO it woud keep more youths in the breed for longer. Look how big the youth qualifiers and championships are at NE…and the majority of those don’t show Junior Exhibitor. It could be kept that you still don’t have to qualify surely in order to avoid the problem due to the law in California.
I see how the park saddle, park harness and perhaps pleasure driving may not merit a world class..but the others i really think have the numbers they need, and would grow some with the addition of a WC.

]]> By: Anonymous http://abovelevel.com/2008/10/20/youth-wc/comment-page-1/#comment-5280 Anonymous Wed, 22 Oct 2008 17:32:24 +0000 http://abovelevel.com/?p=867#comment-5280 IMO, 8-9 is not enough to create a class for. I don't remember what divisions have WC classes for ama's, but not all of them do. Park saddle and harness both, I believe, are feeder classes into the WC ama class. Is there a reason that those youth riders can't show ama as well? Or Open? Stacy IMO, 8-9 is not enough to create a class for. I don’t remember what divisions have WC classes for ama’s, but not all of them do. Park saddle and harness both, I believe, are feeder classes into the WC ama class.
Is there a reason that those youth riders can’t show ama as well? Or Open?
Stacy

]]> By: suziep http://abovelevel.com/2008/10/20/youth-wc/comment-page-1/#comment-5278 suziep Wed, 22 Oct 2008 16:26:23 +0000 http://abovelevel.com/?p=867#comment-5278 about the Master classes , I think why they are light , Is or for me i want to show in the masters and amat, and be able to use the same horse. It would been more entry money for both classes. Some Amateur do not have 2 horses , or if they do you have to pick which one to ride. and Money is always the key factor. about the Master classes , I think why they are light , Is or for me i want to show in the masters and amat, and be able to use the same horse. It would been more entry money for both classes. Some Amateur do not have 2 horses , or if they do you have to pick which one to ride. and Money is always the key factor.

]]> By: Anonymous http://abovelevel.com/2008/10/20/youth-wc/comment-page-1/#comment-5257 Anonymous Tue, 21 Oct 2008 22:17:30 +0000 http://abovelevel.com/?p=867#comment-5257 Technically there is a WC for the Youth Division- You can show back in the OPEN WC classes.. Technically there is a WC for the Youth Division- You can show back in the OPEN WC classes..

]]> By: Anonymous http://abovelevel.com/2008/10/20/youth-wc/comment-page-1/#comment-5249 Anonymous Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:26:59 +0000 http://abovelevel.com/?p=867#comment-5249 I disagree I think the numbers in the English Pleasure justify a WC class...this year there were 8-9 and the year befor like 14 and correct me if i'm wrong the majority did not show in any other classes. Look at the Masters world class there was only like 7 and the year before about 5...how come they justify a WC class and the youth's don't...it just doesn't make any sense in my opinion. I really think if you made it a WC class numbers would go up too. People don't want to ship all that way and have all the high costs that OKC brings to just show in one finals class. I disagree I think the numbers in the English Pleasure justify a WC class…this year there were 8-9 and the year befor like 14 and correct me if i’m wrong the majority did not show in any other classes. Look at the Masters world class there was only like 7 and the year before about 5…how come they justify a WC class and the youth’s don’t…it just doesn’t make any sense in my opinion. I really think if you made it a WC class numbers would go up too. People don’t want to ship all that way and have all the high costs that OKC brings to just show in one finals class.

]]> By: GraceMorgn http://abovelevel.com/2008/10/20/youth-wc/comment-page-1/#comment-5235 GraceMorgn Tue, 21 Oct 2008 15:14:31 +0000 http://abovelevel.com/?p=867#comment-5235 I was always under the impression that youth was created for the open horse ridden by the young exbibitor. The rules say "Youth classes are to be judged in accordance with Open class specifications, open to exhibitors 21 and under." These are suppossed to be the horses that are higher quality and ability, but lack the perfect manners and suitability of a junior exhibitor horse. I believe the intent was to give the talented younger riders a place to showcase their horse without having to be in the open division with the professionals. A youth horse is more similar to an amateur horse than a junior exibitor horse. Therefore, you are allowed to cross enter between amatuer, ladies, gentleman and youth at Nationals. Some youth horses would not meet the ladies requirement, so that should be taken into consideration. I do believe that extending youth to age 25 would be very beneficial. It would allow those of us who are out of college and relatively established to have a section to reenter the show ring after a few years off. *ASHLEY* I was always under the impression that youth was created for the open horse ridden by the young exbibitor. The rules say “Youth classes are to be judged in accordance with Open class specifications, open to exhibitors 21 and under.” These are suppossed to be the horses that are higher quality and ability, but lack the perfect manners and suitability of a junior exhibitor horse. I believe the intent was to give the talented younger riders a place to showcase their horse without having to be in the open division with the professionals.

A youth horse is more similar to an amateur horse than a junior exibitor horse. Therefore, you are allowed to cross enter between amatuer, ladies, gentleman and youth at Nationals. Some youth horses would not meet the ladies requirement, so that should be taken into consideration.

I do believe that extending youth to age 25 would be very beneficial. It would allow those of us who are out of college and relatively established to have a section to reenter the show ring after a few years off.

*ASHLEY*

]]> By: IED http://abovelevel.com/2008/10/20/youth-wc/comment-page-1/#comment-5216 IED Tue, 21 Oct 2008 03:29:29 +0000 http://abovelevel.com/?p=867#comment-5216 I am all for adding a WC for the Hunt and Western divisions, as Stacy mentioned. At this time I don't think the numbers for Park Harness/Saddle and English Pleasure/Pleasure Driving are strong enough to make for a WC, unless of course the Junior Exhibitors are taken into account. Personally, I love Youth. I do wish they would enlarge the age margin, though to something like 18-25. Especially since the majority of the Youth division is in college and without a show horse... I am all for adding a WC for the Hunt and Western divisions, as Stacy mentioned. At this time I don’t think the numbers for Park Harness/Saddle and English Pleasure/Pleasure Driving are strong enough to make for a WC, unless of course the Junior Exhibitors are taken into account.

Personally, I love Youth. I do wish they would enlarge the age margin, though to something like 18-25. Especially since the majority of the Youth division is in college and without a show horse…

]]> By: Anonymous http://abovelevel.com/2008/10/20/youth-wc/comment-page-1/#comment-5211 Anonymous Tue, 21 Oct 2008 02:47:55 +0000 http://abovelevel.com/?p=867#comment-5211 So, if there were 35 in the youth hunter pleasure at NE, I would assume that the Jr riders rode Jr Exb and the over 18's went ama at OKC? I hate to see either division become diluted. I know they are big, but they SHOULD be! I would have no issue letting people show Jr Exb and youth but I am still not convinced we need youth champs. How many were in the youth park saddle? Harness? Pleasure driving? English Pleasure I think had 8-9 but that was the biggest of those divisions. If they want to add youth champs for hunt and western, that is one thing, but it will adversly effect the SS divisions, IMO if they add them there. Stacy So, if there were 35 in the youth hunter pleasure at NE, I would assume that the Jr riders rode Jr Exb and the over 18′s went ama at OKC? I hate to see either division become diluted. I know they are big, but they SHOULD be! I would have no issue letting people show Jr Exb and youth but I am still not convinced we need youth champs. How many were in the youth park saddle? Harness? Pleasure driving? English Pleasure I think had 8-9 but that was the biggest of those divisions. If they want to add youth champs for hunt and western, that is one thing, but it will adversly effect the SS divisions, IMO if they add them there.
Stacy

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